Auto-ignition is not spontaneous! https://youtu.be/M8thlLjEjhc?t=1225
More rigorous test of oily rags catching on fire:
-Toxic amounts of phenol at low temperature 230F - 110C
-Can take a long time, depends on ambient temp. 24-36 hrs at 60F - 15C.
-Carbon Monoxide may aid ignition
-Cotton faster than paper.
-Prodigious amounts of smoke prior to ignition
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More rigorous test of oily rags catching on fire:
-Toxic amounts of phenol at low temperature 230F - 110C
-Can take a long time, depends on ambient temp. 24-36 hrs at 60F - 15C.
-Carbon Monoxide may aid ignition
-Cotton faster than paper.
-Prodigious amounts of smoke prior to ignition
@DDSpeedShop
Shellman's welcome back to the shop today. We're going to reenact the infamous Seinfeld not Jewish lightning. but Japanese lightning. That's where your mortgage and your affiliate links rub together in order to create a friction fire.
Um, France What the uh? What The fellas? What love Fellas called? We're going to get some boiled linseed oil. Now boil linseed oil. Has Executive at it. Executive is a drying agent.
essentially metallic ions. What that allows it to do is it catalyzes the reaction. makes it speed up. Uh, speedier chemical reaction, more heat, more heat, more meat.
Angle of the dangle is directly proportional to the heat of the meat. minus the mass of the ass. and we're going to find that out. This thing ought to be rolling coal and nion Four hours give or take, plus minus a hundred percent.
I'm going to start off by invoking the holiest of Holy Books the Crack Master Car catalog. You might find better, but you won't find more expensive and a catalog cut from a personal massager. Note: I Do not have any additional ones and unlike another fellow doing the video, those catalog pages in the bin will not change. They'll stay the same I Assure you, As you can see, there's a nice trim looking lady on there.
Well, I shouldn't might be a man who can say in this day and age. And we got Scott bags of the rocks. These are not cotton and according to the National Association of calendar models, what you need is cotton. Okay, now the one.
What's actually got a Fighting Chance Uh, spontaneously combustion. Take a shot every time I say spontaneously combuster. honest I ain't lying. Oh oh okay.
goes to prove that's easier. As in the words of Ray Kroc the inventor of the French fry. it's easier to fool a man than to prove to him he's been fooled. Huh? catalog cut: There's a handsome, athletic person and a typical Chinese running pose.
There we are I'm putting the remainder of the brand new linseed oil into the rags. The paper rags I Notice I have quite a few more Rags over that side. So I'll increase the Rmal Mass over on this side by adding more Rags Further instrumentation: K-type thermocouples. One's got the one lead, one's got the two.
We'll put the one in the important one. What? I Feel is going to go ORF But I'll have a camera on this. It'll be a GoPro camera and we'll put a clock there. We'll put a thermometer for the shop temperature as well as what else can we have in there.
Oh, an IR camera. We'll put an IR camera on there as well an analog tachometer to see what rip them it's running at. And also conveniently, you'll be able to see if I dick around with it Surreptitiously, that'll measure the vibrations of me clomping around I Haven't got a handy timer in the shop? No. I could tell Baby Doll hey, takes what it takes, just keep pumping.
but there is a clock on this, huh? IR camera if you'd Focus you problem is this thing times out every 10 minutes so after 10 minutes of time, you go ahead and take a shot every time. I say time as the kids call it bad breath detector I Just breathed into her. Normally the co settled down when I quit around with it but it seems to jump up when I turn it on and when I move it around I Want to get that total volatile organic compound checked out? This will be an Illuminating experience. You're gonna plug in that oh I can already smell it. Got the stank a linseed to her. Okay I'm going to set up the GoPro and go find a timer. You keep an eye on this mess I can put the one tripod that's what you're on I got the old step stool and the hot snot running the what you call that vehicle cam. the car cam.
the crash cam. hey. Also I found some activated carbon pellets fingered if that's got a Char Anyway, for a lights, we can indoctrinate that linseed oil into the carbon pellets. Skip a step.
ought to get us there closer so we'll have a third test. a start and a fourth as well. I'm just going to mix up some epoxy resin real hot. I got some copper.
This will help catalyze the oil and catalyzes methyl alcohol. Now the dryers. J.A pan dryer is Cobalt if I'm not mistaken I don't happen to have any Cobalt lying around the machine. Well, actually it might be Cobalt binder in carbide Machining tools but they're a little bit hard to cut, especially with a file.
This happens to be the only tune I can play on the guitar one. I Like to call breaking out of jail to the activated charcoal and powder or the copper. We add boiled linseed oil itself with its own secretives. Give it a healthy dose my buddies in a merge stock.
Shocking I know I have a buddy and Brother Bear busted his wing. Let me give him a quote. When you get to emerge, tell him he's had a quote. a healthy dose of medication.
So we'll give that a healthy dose of medication. Hey, we got the stove. Stone Dead Reasons: Because I don't want there to be any ambiguity about where the smoke come from when there is smoke. If there is smoke, I'm going to grab some charred coal and do the same thing as with the activated charcoal pellets and we're gonna test those.
Rubbermaid Uh, tough brute. Now it wouldn't surprise me in the Leafs if this receptacle garbage receptacle with its 11 herbs and proprietary spices had some not some Boron some bromine in it, some bromine compounds in order to reduce its flammability. Now burning P Polyethylene smells like Wax smells like burning wax and it also self extinguishes it doesn't continue burning if there's no wicking mechanism there. So to have a blue, bright blue flame wicking across the top is quite surprising to me at the top of a puddle of this stuff.
So we're gonna go ahead and make a puddle of this set it Ablaze See what happens? Magical spontaneous combustion pixie dust. Godspeed Little Doodle Why would you ever do a test like that in plastic? Okay, and no, don't strike you is odd why someone would do fire testing in a plastic garbage receptacle. It struck me as odd too. I Sat to thinking about it. Uh, here's the thing. Rubbermaid that's a big outfit. It's probably owned by a bigger outfit. you don't with these guys.
this. Bottom line, especially if you're doing something a little bit untowards or a lot on towards. So there must be a reason for it. And it could be just for dramatic visuals where you need a thumbnail and you got to see the thing melting away to nothing you know kind of.
Droopy Dick syndrome was kind of interesting to look at visually obvious failure. However, another bonus, which is a detriment to viewers, is that there's an affiliate link for a fire resistant receptacle metallized with an automagic closing lit I Don't know how many got sold, but chances are that link was quite profitable. In the words of Charlie Munger Sidekick to the Sage of Omaha show me the incentives and I'll tell you the outcomes. There's an incentive there to juxtapose the plastic against the painted red metal.
self-closing lit. Um, the call of the Void is strong third degree plastic Burns anyone? Okay, I'm gonna light this up I should turn off the lights for ambiance. Sure dries the charm puts itself out. Let's try a little bit of paper on there, See what happens? huh? Oh, what's that mean? self extinguishing? However, there isn't a great bloody conflagration right beside it.
So um, okay, all right. I'll concede that despite polyethylene being self-extinguishing in some instances over a molten puddle, that blue flame twist at the top to Yellow it's the correct color of flame. There's nothing untowards there. Essentially, what we're doing is we're trying to Pro Let me get the hair out of your eyes Here, we're trying to propagate a thermal Runaway That is.
the temperature rise increases to such an effect that the reaction happens quicker and quicker. and quicker the heat continues to rise. It makes it quicker and quicker and quicker until we reach the auto ignition temperature of the cotton. There is a distinct smell however, but that might be the waxy smell due to me burning polyethylene over there.
And unfortunately that epoxy I either didn't mix it hot enough with half and half. it's or maybe it's no, it's not supposed to be half and half. it's uh, this is part B it's two to one and I did it half and half. So obviously this catalyst is no good anymore because that should be smoking.
And in Flames by now it's been an hour. the carbon monoxide is increasing. We'll have to keep a close eye on that ho ho. Not as boring as we thought.
Not because there's any appreciable temperature that's epoxy. It's maybe 70 or so something else going on. The CEO when I wasn't in the shop walking around, the CEO was sitting at 60. And then since I've been moving around, it's been dropping progressively. But 60 parts per million is quite high. So if the linseed oil soaked Rags are heating up and evolving carbon monoxide. Carbon Monoxide is a highly flammable gas according to women's or OSHA in the states I believe it's pronounced oh. Carbon monoxide has a flammability of four, which is extremely flammable.
I'll have to look out, the I'll have to look up the Tlv, the and the threshold upper and lower flammability threshold. But if it's evolving carbon monoxide, carbon monoxide is lighter than air, so chances are it's going to float up higher. However, if you're in a sort of half enclosed space, you can get pockets of carbon monoxide. and the auto ignition temperature of carbon monoxide is something like negative 200 degrees science.
It's it's really low. This is why some of the reason why. When you, well, first off, according to the Geneva Convention, you cannot use tear gas against fellow combatants or enemy combatants. However, our governments can use tear gas against us, which is kind of interesting.
But anytime you get tear gas in an enclosed space, you get a fire. This is a well-known effect. So I wonder if it's the same effect if you get carbon monoxide in an enclosed space. It's got such a low Auto ignition temperature and you've got smoldering away.
All it takes is a tiny little pocket of carbon monoxide that reaches its get out of here. we're waking up the stink bugs. Uh, that reaches its lower threshold limit. and then it's explosive and pop the jazz hands routine on the gargler.
You'll forgive the Town Pump Uh. warming up there. It's a little late in the day, but allowances must be made. Co is a colorless, odorless, tasteless, and combustible gas with a lower explosive limit LEL of 12.5 percent or 125 000 parts per million in juxtaposition.
Propane has a LEL of 2.2 percent, so it's not quite as flammable as propane, but you get a little pocket in there of carbon monoxide and its want to explode. That might be where the spontaneous combustion is coming from. I'm going to put a cover over that just to see I'm dying to see or should I just leave it and then we'll test it another time. No, I'm going to put a cover over it I Trust, you'll forgive me One small intervention on the camera, mind you, just go ahead and tilt your head to the side.
Get rid of that glare, son of it. 95 High and climbing curiouser, she's back down to nine PPM Must be coming from one of these guys. They're not one of those guys. That's it.
I Would say it's probably coming from the epoxy. So I'm going to move that cover and put the epoxy in there. see what happens? Five hours on my Mark Mark I'm all for eplay. but this is how much wine can a man take 9 PPM of carbon monoxide with the epoxy chooching in there I must have filtered it all through my lungs.
Some sort of glitcher? Yeah! I don't know man so close to that magical 6 29 6 hours 29 minutes mark which happens to be John 6 29. the oh behold, the work of the Lord whom he has sent for you to have faith in something something close enough should spontaneous oh should have spontaneously combusted 23 seconds ago. The thing is about experiments, they have to be reproducible. This interesting tidbit that most human psychology experiments, well, 50 percent of human sociology psychology experiments are not repeatable I should tell you something about the science of: Sociology Watch pot never boils so I'll go out, plow a field or something or other wait for the bills to smoke before I come up. Surprising to me is just how much the parts per million vary. Now that might be the craftacular Chinese instrument, but also in the CO2 how much it varies depending on whether or not I'm coming in or out of the shop or if I leave the door open for any amount of time or there's any kind of yeah, it varies a lot. We're at nigh on nine hours. Went and had supper with the fam.
Come back to the smell of linseed oil getting a little bit heady in here. The bouquet As you can see, we've added to our Synod of instruments both sacred and profane, with the Borscht as a level. What for shooting lasers out of its freaking eyeballs? I Wanted to be able to spot any amount of smoke emanating from the hottest suspect. Unfortunately, I think we've leveled off on the temperature.
Thing is, when this does take off, it's going to be rolling, coal smoking like a platinum-haired mom in the 80s. For 12 hours 45 minutes, we're getting some buildup of Co 150 parts per million in there and a little bit more carbon dioxide 56.2 dungarees Science: we are still climbing. Well, you might get a result out of this after all 14 hours never been in Machu one to sleep at work although I have tried too much going on. Stop rats eating your lunch.
A thermocouple is at the bottom of the pile 45 and Rising and that guy's right mid station, smack dab in the middle of the goddamn. Road it's in thermal runaway. More like thermal Shuffle away ain't happening too quick. Well, not quick enough for me anyway.
Condensation on the inside of the Dome the paper not doing nothing. This guy I think it would have ran away thermally even without the Dome Not particularly well sealed, but you'll recall I Wanted to check my hypothesis of the Co. There is something coming off of there already because my mucous membranes, my eyes are watering. my nose is tingly Sneezy I Really don't want to stay in here much longer.
Total volatility. Organic compound spiked. pretty good. You can't I can't even stay in here.
Not smoking yet. too toxic for human habitation. There is no weigh-in l Anyone could sit in here. no way of an underground gassed out many times.
It's nothing like that. This, there's a there's the chemical coming off of there. Some sort of phenol, maybe like in wood smoke. Actually, it feels just like that. The same is getting a big Huda a wood smoke and not being able to get away. You know? Guess the man. my eyes are burning. There's something noxious coming off there despite its low temperature.
unfortunately. I Can't put it outside. Colder than bronze bid day tonight and windier. Okay, something about having a toxic fire in the shop is setting my you know I ain't no milk toast.
but at the same time I'm old enough to know what my spider sense is tingling, my eyes are streaming water. We're gonna shut her down. This is not the right setup for doing this test. completely.
The wrong setup. however. I do have a fume Hood built in I'm gonna take this guy, stick it in the wood stove and then we'll film it from there so you'll forgive me for packing down and breaking everything up and then resetting. but we can see the results.
Thus far we are into thermal Runaway it is off-gassing something horrible. Okay, we got our tripod set up recording vehicle mode. Still hotter than a two dollar pistol. Great success.
and it's still smoking. It's pretty smoky in here. Non-phenolic though. it's just regular old smoke.
We learned a number of things on this one. Unfortunately, for the sake of the thumbnail, there was no great conflag duration. I Had a look at the footage and it just kind of I Mean there's a lot more smoke now. It's still speeding up nearly 23 hours later.
So we learned a number of things. One, the paper Rags are not as dangerous as the cotton. There's something special about cotton. I Would love to see a Sam image a scanning electron microscope image of the fibers of a cotton rag versus a cellulose rag I believe I misspoke last night calling it lignin.
Lignan is the connective tissue and the cellulose is the fiber. That's what they you know in the pulping process. They use sulfites to get rid of that lignin as you can see that's smoking like a bastard in a future iteration. In order to get this to actually flame up, we're going to have to add some more fodder to the Flames some sort maybe Pine shavings, maybe some Birch sawdust and so forth so that we have kind of a strata of various tenders.
and I Think if you were to put this in a bag with holes in the bottom and then seal up the top, you would get those phenols and carbon monoxide in there and that would really make it conflagrate. And this underlines a more Salient point in that it off gases very irritating phenols. You cannot stay in the same room as this when it's kicking off. You can't be in the same building.
It is so utterly toxic that your mucous membranes my nose is is running right now. my eyes are watering, your mucous membranes and eyes just cannot handle it. It's it's like snorting pepper spray. What's the difference between Black bear poop and Grizzly bear poop? Black bear poops in the middle of the trail and full of berries. Grizzly bear poop is full of bear bells and smells like pepper. It is physically impossible to be in an enclosed space when this is even just starting to Chooch you see at a hundred and what was it 125 degrees I Could barely stand being in the shop. Toxic. Toxic.
So if somebody's trying to sell you a safety can by sitting in the shop while this goes off and watching Seinfeld episodes he is frankly quite full of. Here's the cellulose. Nothing happened. There's something, well, that's a piece of cardboard.
Nothing happened, didn't even heat up. and the linseed impregnated charcoal. It looked like it was going to take off, but it just didn't have enough thermal. Mass I think maybe if we had more charcoal in there, a few more cotton Rags it would have taken off foreign if at first you don't succeed.
keep sucking till you do succeed. Thanks for watching. Okay predicting advice. What are you making this? She smokey I Can tell baby doll, you mess with the bull.
you get the balls eventually. Maybe you want a foot rub? this sneaky bastich just about set my Hacienda on fire. Never turn your back. an annoying rag.
Paint thinner rags and staining rags work the best. Takes less than an hour in most cases.
Had a pile of oiled clothes catch fire as a kid and others have experienced smoke from said- SO
I know from personal experience that they can and will spontaneously combust. I have seen it happen.
Not a very exciting way to start a fire – where I come from we were taught to do it by rubbing 2 boy scouts together. I learned later in life it was easier by rubbing 2 girl scouts together because that's way hotter.
I would try the test directly under the hood from T=0 the next time… It's less risky and the constant air circulation seems to have accelerated the reaction. The condensing plastic cover might have help disperse the irritating gas but it might have starve a potential fire… Not trying to defend the bin-selling guy. Just giving you my honest input on the experiment… There is something happening when you put this thing in your ''hood''…
I know that boiled linseed oil does self ignite as a rag caught fire in the garage and was found in time thankfully. the shed had a clear light sheet on the roof which let enough sunlight in to cause ignition.
I enjoy listening to this guy, way too much. This guy could read the Sears catalog and I’d enjoy it. Entertaining as hell. 😂😂😂
I think raw linseed oil is the fire starting culprit.
The fact you pick the picture you did on the catalogue sheet. Personal messager. Mint!
Please for the sake of the world, don't stop making new video's. We have to show real shit viruses fake shit on YouTube. And there's tons of fake shit. I thank you sir. 👍
You have to use specific wood treatment/finishing chit. I’s seen it happen in the Texas heat. Ask me what those compounds are and I’ll call my lawyer
The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
Project farm would be proud !
I almost burned my house down from one balled up rag that was saturated in linseed oil that was on top of a plastic ice chest in summer sun. The rag got hot melted the plastic lid and started burning. It was put out before it caught the storage tent it was next to thankfully.
You're really on the rag these days..
Insert anecdotal story about that one time my so and so lit their moms hacienda on fire with an oily rag.